The UK Low Stakes Poker Players Alliance
I have been posed with a problem that I could use readers help with input.
As many millions of others I enjoy facebook, but today I have been asked to join the group in the title of this post. Here is the problem, I support any means that gets poker to the masses, so that people can enjoy the game I/we love. Let me give you some background on myself, I have worked in casino cardrooms for 20 years, I have also worked in illegal cardrooms, run pub poker competitions and worked for one of the biggest online networks. Yet I cannot get to grips with this group;
Their aim,
1) To decide where poker players play through legal means
2) To abolish the stupid £5 Pub Poker Limit that is killing the game and allow market forces to determine what is a reasonable buy in and what is not.
3) The allowing of players to play decent events and structures, where they wish
4) A partnership with online and casinos to promote poker
5) To act as a learning zone for poker
6) To be able to run games without the threat of closure and fines
7) The Limit on player numbers to be scrapped with the max number of runners being capacity of the venue not limited
The allowing of low stakes cash with a max buy-in of £25 of which a player is limited to 4 buy-ins a night
I also believe in being able to ask for a contribution from players for premises, maintenance, equipment and staffing costs so that the events can be run properly
To me this smells of a landlord, that just wants to be able to profit from poker, let me go through the points bit by bit.
1) Players already have a choice, from £3 to £25,000 casinos offer a range of protected games, in supervised surroundings, in fact Gala’s now do freerolls in some of their casinos, the majority of casino comps however are £10 entry and above. Pubs £5 cap kind of gives them a market, however organising a pub game is horrible, players that have watched the tele, been to casinos, had their own home games, pissed up people …. all giving their input on what the rules are, self deal by said persons, means that you will see roughly 12 hands an hour ……. and that is fast for a pub game.
2) For the above reason, the £5 cap should stay, the reason it is so low, is that it is unregulated and alcohol is involved, Private members clubs have a £10 cap because there is at least some control over members.
3) People can choose what structures they want, they just have to find them and travel to them. Everyone has their own idea on good structures, mainly to suit their own play.
4) Their is already promotions with online sites in many pub games, sponsored leagues, live finals in casinos etc.
5) No where stops anyone from learning the game, in fact I would suggest a pub game because of the low stakes as a starter tournament.
6) Poker just simply needs to be regulated or it there would be many more Wild Bill’s around.
7) There isn’t a fixed limit on how many players can play a pub game, there is a limit on the pubs capacity for health and safety, but if you can hold 1000 players safely you can hold an event. What there is, is a cap on how much an event can use as prize money per day. But if a 1000 players wanted to pay 10p each they could have a prize fund of £100
Regarding cash games, personally I feel that if their isn’t security and anyone is allowed to join these cash games, and the person running it hasn’t a clue, then this would be the biggest sin regarding poker. Players need to feel safe, and when 10 pint pete loses a pot and decides to chin the landlords misses because he’s just spunked his dole money to her, the shit would hit the fan!
And having a £25 max buy-in, when I know some casinos run cash games with a £10 max buy-in is ludicrous, especially when I have done my 4 x cap and I am chasing my own money, and some spotty twat is telling me that I have done my allocated allowance, is definitely asking for trouble.
I am a professional dealer, if you allow me to deal from the hand, with a bunch of pissed up people, it would be a licence for me to print money, and there are many people that can control a deck a lot better than me, but if it is regulated, that all changes and procedures halt any shenanigans. Thank God
But after saying all of the above, I strongly agree that if I want to play poker anywhere I should be able to, but I know the choices and the consequences, I also know that there are some very professional illegal poker dens.
Should I join this group 
, should ukpokerinfo support it, you choose!!
The group is here http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=100999143375&ref=nf
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Ok I can understand your concerns about pissed up pete etc, but can assure you that in 3 years of running games – no one has been physically assaulted, also this is covered by existing legislation re serving someone intoxicated with booze, this could be applied to karaoke, Darts or pool or anything else that happens in a pub.
The whiole point of being allowed to charge is for someone to run the games costs money, decks need to be paid for and so do chips and the persons time.
Re dealing off the bottom of the deck -hmmmm agian by having someone running the tournament that would be spotted and also you telling me that there are no pissed up/coked up players in casinos that could not fall foul of this in the millions of self deal tourneys on offer across the UK?
The group is about freedom of choice, I should be able to play where I want when I want, In London we do not have access to private working mens clubs – where unlimited stakes can be played if they have a Club Permit – why because all the clubs sold up a long time ago and were converted into houses.
Do you really honestly believe that a private club will give more of a shit than a landlord of a pub ??? Both risk losing their license if they serve pissed players, this is about choice – not some landlord wanting to make a few quid.
I do believe the market should decide, if a game is particularly rowdy or violent I would not go back, therefore it is in no ones interest that games should be limited.
in casino’s there have never been verbal bust ups or worse ???? I should say there have I have been to them enough.
On Monday I went to a pub poker game in London my cost to get there was £5.60 the maximum stake that could be wagered was £5 that is a joke. I am an adult and should be able to decide when and where I wish to play.
In London We had No Freezeouts for £10 which is the stake I wished to play at, the structures are crap and if i did bust out early and want to continue playing poker I would need a minimum of £200-400 to join any side table in a casino and evenm then technically for variance i would need 5 reloads.
Yes I have run games for low stakes, no we did not have people killing each other, yes they were run on a professional basis and an example of a game that has turned out to be illegal but where 203 low stakes poker players came together and had a great day out was the pub poker open held at Loose Cannon in feb 2009 – all day we did not even have to make a ruling let alone throw anyone out or deal with pissed up pete’s.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x8nm9p_william-hill-london-pub-poker-open_videogames
No Casino in London can hold this event in 2010 as it is not profitable enough for them – so go figure.
I have run games, I do believe in making a small charge to cover costs, I believe the market should decide what is good and what is not good value and believe that adults are capable of deciding for themselves where they want to play.
I know of many players who came to our now ceased events that were losing online players, spending 1000s online with no one to supervise or counsel them, Casinos should work with LOw Stakes Players, they are the casinos of the future – Jakes Akenhead after all cut his teeth in illegal £10 freezeouts apparently and does not seem to have done him any harm.
Happy to discuss with anyone why I am passionate about choice.
Where should we have this discussion, poker is my life and I can see your point, and i totally agree with some of your points, but I can argue all day about why certain things shouldn’t happen in poker. Regarding your point about it not being financially profitable to hold a grand final in a casino, see Redtooths Final at DTD, had over 400 players and is scheduled again for more next year. There does need some form of regulation.
There are many private members clubs in London, in fact more in London than anywhere else, they are also semi-legal because they exploit a loophole, and are actually designed for poker.
Karaoke, Darts and Pool are seen in pubs, and there isn’t much trouble at them agreed, but when you are encouraging cash games to the tune of £100 a night, and a drunk thinks he is being had over (whether he is or isn’t is irrelevant) he is going to get nasty.
Even self dealt tournies are regulated by TD’s that know what they are talking about in casinos, I personally have barred 8 self dealers from casinos because of this, anyone can walk off the street and deal in a pub, that’s my point.
I also have worked in a very safe illegal cardroom. And would recommend to anyone.
Happy to talk wherever.
My Point being is that there are not many private members clubs that are in fact Working Mens clubs in the centre of London why not email me your number and i will chat iwth you more – but please take a look at that video – 203 runners, no rulings, professionally run by one of the best TD’s in The Business Dave Creasor supported by The owner of Loose Cannon Roy Houghton who I think knows a thing or 2 about poker
Cheers
Steve
Oh and i have had dealings and worked with a pub poker league, who made a nice tidy sum, it was sponsored by an online room that paid for all the tables, cards and chips etc as each member had to open an online account with them. The owners of that league hadn’t got the foggiest idea about poker, the TD’s were clueless, the training officer didn’t know basic rules. They saw agap in the market to make money that was all.
“Regarding your point about it not being financially profitable to hold a grand final in a casino, see Redtooths Final at DTD, had over 400 players and is scheduled again for more next year. There does need some form of regulation.”
Redtooths final is in Nottingham, funnilly enough I want to hold the 3rd The London Pub Poker Open in London
Also Dusk Til Dawn want considerably more than that Loose Cannon charged and it is not financially viable to do it it in DTD especially as it is a London event.
Do have to say a big Up though to LCI who are doing a South East Open in September and also Stanleys in Plymouth who have joined the group.
Anyone who knows me knows i have made F*ck All from running games, but well run low stakes poker events are my passion.
Steve
As i Say am happy top chat
I have heard about a Casino dealer that stole thousands down his sock over a period of 6 years – I do not accuse all casino dealers of being thieves.
Your post “Oh and i have had dealings and worked with a pub poker league, who made a nice tidy sum, it was sponsored by an online room that paid for all the tables, cards and chips etc as each member had to open an online account with them. The owners of that league hadn’t got the foggiest idea about poker, the TD’s were clueless, the training officer didn’t know basic rules. They saw agap in the market to make money that was all.”
LOL ask Dave Creasor who I am, he used to be a dealer for me when I ran the Broadway Casinos Cardroom, he is a top chap granted..
Try the Western or the International I am sure they can accommodate, they found the loophole, to hold poker tournaments.
I can see both sides of this, think Rich just sways it though.
I would love to see £10 and £15 f/o in pubs that are professionally run.
I have been to a few in pubs and must say 80% or more are utter crap, badly run with people trying to run a tourney when they have not got a clue, most of them had the piss heads shouting abuse when out drawn.
I did attend one game that was run every month very close to me in a pub, this was run very well with a bloke that knew what he was doing.
The only thing that I thought was wrong with this was he was taking a rake, WHY ?.
On average I think there were 20+ runners, so this TD (use the word loosely) was getting customers in to the pub, so in IMO the landlord should have payed him same as he would and artist.
I run home games every week, about 50% that attend drink, Not had many problems but a few, 4 players are never invited and will always be told it’s full, in other words they are barred.
We all know when intoxicated even the nice guys are slow and unpredictable which in turn aggravates the other players.
I am all for poker in the pub but it must be overseen bye someone, maybe a licence to run poker in pubs would be an idea, with strict training and exams at the end of it.
These licences would be taken off them for any wrong doings.
Any just my opinion.
mrmacacan
http://www.chorleypokerleague.com/
So I should only play at the international or The Western huh ?
Well The International do not do £10 freezeouts and the western is too far…. We were quite happy running our own ghames thanks.
We should not have to exploit any loopholes, we should be able to play where we want when we want across the UK.
I spoke to Michael and Barry but the club is too successful to accomodate us – we only have 1600 members of The LPM
And I think if you spoke to David you would find out that i am more than capable of running a tourney – please do not tar all people with the same brush or are you deliberately being provocative to get posts so as you get traffic and themn maybe a sign up to one of the many poker siites you advertise and the affiliate revenue ?????????
I am not suggesting in anyway that you aren’t capable of running a tourny, I hope if poker is your passion that you are more than capable of running one, I was giving you a suggestion. And the site has just started we have no affiliates at the moment they are examples. This is the same post so no more traffic will come here unless they are searching for it.
We have a forum usually to discuss things, but I would be willing to wait for your site to be set up. If you look at my original post I was after input whether we should support your cause, as i have mixed feelings over this, I believe everyone should have the right, but also believe that there needs to be some form of regulation. Am I wrong?
How is asking questions and giving you advice (sorry if you already knew what I was trying to help you with) being provocative?
I am saying that there are some shit TD’s around, that if legislation was passed, would be in charge of a poker game that i would like to play.
If your poker league can’t afford places, when other poker leagues can, then maybe you should have a word with your marketing team to get a better deal from an online poker room, or even attach your league to a casino?
@mrmacacan
At least you are joining the debate and you are entitled to your opinions and have taken the time to express them – debate is good.
However my point is about choice – if I want to run a low stakes game and I want to do it in a hotel/bar/Cafe or wherever I should be able to.
If someone wants to run a game next door iin competition then they should be able to.
Players will vote with their feet and go to the well run, no pissed up petes allowed games over rowdy badly run games. Same as a you probably would chose to go to a pub where you can have a good pint and not get into a fight – we all know of boozers where you are likely to get into a row and those that do not want a fight do not go in them.
In short well run games would survive whilst badly run games would not – but people would have a choice.
Cheers
Steve
@ Richard Wootton All I want is choice – I have actually stopped running games as I will not run under the conditions.
As an adult you should be free to decide where you do or do not want to play.
As for marketing team LOL @ That one – we are an amateur bunch of players who enjoy a £10 Game a £20 game and the odd £50 deepstack = online affiliations are all about sign ups I should know as I know half of the industry.
Of course you are entitled to your opinion and input – hey if you had not posted we would not be having this discussion – my comment re affiliates was tongue in cheek.
And if you are only using examples you should join the relevant affiliate sections of the sites you are promoting.
William hill have some good deals at the moment and can pass you onto their account manager.
But back to the point. The UKLSPPA is about choice – let the players decide where they want to play, I have palyed in casinos and the dealer stated that the line did not mean anything and that onlwy when the dealer had touched the cards was the hand dead.
I have seen dealers let people take back chips, after they criossed the line, I could go on.
Just join and support choice – many of my players have gone on to play in bigger tournies at casinos – casinos are not interested in Low Stakles Poker because running a tourney is expensive to staff as you well know.
Tourney’s in Casinos are structured to get a large portion of the field out asap, in order to feed the cash tables that pays the be bills
Steve
OMG as usual THE OLD BOYS CLUB rears its ugly head.I would say that Rich is one of these with a self ego the size of London.Speaking as an ex doorman I totally disagree with this concept(as advertised on gaming commission website) that pub poker causes problems with players losing and getting aggressive.Every night of the week there is violence in pubs,clubs and bars with the catalyst being something trivial for example as knocking in to someone.So to use this as an example is outrageous and indicates a vested interest from Rich in these postings.Where are your national stats on this matter.As you seem to be a self proclaimed POKER GUVNOR you should know these figures in order to use as an argument.Whilst speaking to a serving police officer who happens to work for the licensing dept I asked him if these figures were availiable.GUESS WHAT? They are not even recorded.
The main point here is that this is being done for the good of british poker and the response has been massive.
Another point is that my human rights under article 11 is being infringed upon.Our right to assembly.
With or without your support we will defeat this law and get changed for all concerned with poker.
TIME FOR PETTY IN FIGHTING IS OVER AND CONSOLODATION FOR ONE CAUSE IS NEEDED.
Im afraid that Rich’s comments on this stink of Casino Interests with the point being IN THE PUBLIC INTEREST (as spouted by the gaming commission) that we should not be pushed into a Casino enviroment where players do and will develope gambling addictions.
We were always aware that there would be people out their trying to protecet their own personal interests..
but hey ca sera sera whatever will be will be.
Geoff Keddy
Affiliates and sponsorship are funnily enough on the agenda for next week lol.
As an adult I should be free to smoke in a pub, owned by a smoker, that is prepared to let only smokers in, but yet my hands are tied on that one, but i see your point.
All I am saying, and my gripe is, that every game, wherever it is, should be protected and regulated, To protect the establishment and the player.
Rich I agree with your last post and that is what we are all about.See FB page and clearly mentions the issues of corrupt games.On this I have a question….
Why is it that when I have played in a casino a Brand new unopened deck of cards is not used?
In fact some of the decks that casinos are of poor quality and could easily be juiced……So in my opinion this could be occuring in the very place that we are being pushed toward in order to play.
Another point missed here is that at Pub poker level it is a form of entertainment like going to cinema for an evening and for people with disabilities like myself use this medium as a level playing ground for competition and developing a social network where recognition is key…
Re Violence in Poker – so in a casino there will be no violence as it is monitored and has security and cameras
So @ The World Series the Holy Grail of poker this year a dealer got his hand broken by a player that got angry and smashed his fist down onto the dealers hand as he was reaching for his discarded cards. The casino failed to stop this pissed up pete it would seem
I have seen fights in casino’s once at The Vic – I had to help the floor manager deal with a pissed up couple as he was unable to just throw her out and because she was alleging to be a journalist was refusing to leave the table despite showing her hands to her BF abusing players and so on – something I would never have put up with at one of my games.
Ask anyone she would have been out straight away if I were in charge but then i only ran pub games.
By the way your site is great – looks real good
Geoff Welcome to the debate, read my posts. I have run and worked for pub poker, I also have run and worked in illegal establishments.
There will be no reports of an arguement at a pub poker table, because the landlord will not want to risk his licence.I have seen the backroom of a pub explode, because the Landlord was hosting his own cash table. A bloke was stabbed, and accused of rigging the deck. I was there. There was no rigging of the deck, and the police were not informed of any poker game. Admittedly the stakes were a bit higher than your usual back room cash game.
As a bouncer, you should know the effect that alcohol has on strangers, who think they have just been ripped off. This is why there are bouncers in casinos.
This is rather amusing as every other forum i go on, i get accused of being a shirt lifting lefty
Power to the people brother
Casinos exploit poker players Geoff it is that simple, you are treated as 2nd class citizens, I am all for taking poker else where, in fact i used to refuse to work anywhere that charged a registration fee to abuse players.
But IMO pub poker is not the answer. Agree with your analogy of entertainment, but it was after reading your facebook group that got me worried £25 x 4 buy ins for a cash game, can be as destructive to Mr Bloggs and family who is picking up his dole check, as a £10,000 table is to Mr X. just as an example.
Whatever you say, poker is an addiction, trust me i have been trying to avoid it for 19 years now, the first year was fun lol
Will be about tomorrow to continue if you wish, but I have got to go and run a £50 FO
LOL at shirt lifting lefty lol…….You sound more conservative mate but hey each to their own..
Come and get behind us mate 400+members since last saturday says that this will succeed.
Remember Emily Pankhurst????
They said she was mad..
Remember Apartheid………
Numbers help the masses be heard and together we can bring change for the good of all involved in British Poker..
The bar for British Poker has been raised with JP Kelly and James Akenhead leading the way.
There are hundreds of prospective bracelet winners on the circuit here in Pub and other low stakes games throughout the country.
We are not trying to compete with the online operators or casinos and indeed are not in this for financial reward.
I believe in the setting up of a Consultation group involving casinos,mps,a voice for players and the gaming commission.
In that room would lay the answer i believe…but instead we are treated and controlled like little children.
I concur with Steve you have a good site here….
I expressed in my opinion what i thought should be legal – you do not enter into a negotiation with your lowest amount now do you
Please do not use the backroom stabbing argument about a higher stakes game, it is too simple. If the game had been well run and if the person knew his players and had any degree of control, he would not have allowed someone with such tendencies to play.
I go back to The WSOP is Licensed, Lawful etc but a dealer got his hand busted up despite cameras, press security etc
The Clue is in The Wording of the group.
The UK Low Stakes Poker Players Alliance
We do not want to play for life changing sums, and the argument about someone loosing £100’s is silly – they can do that on fruities, FOB Terminals in bookies, scratchcards and of cousre online in their bedroom.
Whether you join or not is not the issue but I will copy and paste these comments so people can read different sides of the debate.
Well good arguments both sides, I am on the fence at the moment.
I will read more with interest.
http://iopd.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=112:player-breaks-dealers-hand-at-wsop&catid=45:pkrnews&Itemid=62
Is this what you are referring to? Where the security immediately cuff him and he goes to jail?
You cannot account for that type of behaviour anywhere, now i throw it back to you: If this was in a pub, there would be merry hell!!
You fail to see th point that incidents can happen anywhere, the fact the guy was nicked does not mend the guys hand.
Am not gioing to add anymore to this other than I believe in choice and people being able to play when they want and where they want for a reasonable amount .
You spectacularly fail to acknowledge that in 3 years no one was attacked at one of my games – i bet you could not say that about your precious casinos.
I wish you good luck with your site and hope a friend will at least point out that plastering it with trial ads is madness but as you know everything anyway no point me even continuing.
Good Luck
Thank you for your concerns, the home page hasn’t officially gone live yet as all features are not ready as of yet, and as advertising space is for sale, people can see what they are buying when shown.
You are right of course, as a TD I have been attacked once, by a pissed up female, was rather funny, could have got very nasty in a pub, as her son and husband were also involved. Needless to say they do not frequent that particular casino anymore. Have seen a lot worse in a number of bars that hold poker,
And if you have only been doing it 3 years, stick around, because you have been very lucky so far. I wish you well with your quest but still undecided as to what your quest is?
I know I want the right to play anywhere I like, but I am also sensible enough to play poker where i feel safe, the cards aren’t sticky, the staff have a clue, and I get to see a decent amount of hands per level, where I know the rules (that’s a biggie) and the game is straight.
Casinos can’t even get together and use a universal set, let alone The Rose and Crown, and the Queen Vic’s own set of home game rules. So pissed up Pete may even be correct in his local, but in a league game down a rival pub they use a different set. Possibly each week because the TD keeps on changing and making his own rules to suit. C’est La Vie. Best of Luck
Spoke to David by the way and he said he does not remember you….
Obviously not as memorable as you though you are LOL
These laws are shutting Loose Cannon – one of the best places to play in London but hey you would not care about that or the fact that Roy Houghton stands to lose everything – shame huh !
ORLY?? Grow up lol, so why did he add me as a facebook friend 6 mths ago,feel free to check (so who did he think was the card room manager?) Not that I give a shit as to what you say
Roy knew the risks years ago, and continued with the project as the Western and the then Gutshot were getting away with being unlicensed at the time.
Roy is one of the good guys and it’s a shame he has been hurt by the law, but that was probably bad legal advice.
There is a case for poker rooms to be legalized, and that law is a farce, but don’t use that as an excuse to justify pub games having no boundaries.
Special licences should be granted for the opening up of such cardrooms like Loose Cannon’s, Equal Chance, The Western, The International, 5th St, and all the other poker clubs. Run by people who understand poker, with dealers, proper structures, proper equipment, good rules in a safe environment.
Now that is a fight I would like to be a part of, but from my experience and i state IMHO pub poker should be left well alone, as the case for pub poker has nothing to do with the running of poker, but the ability to fill a quite night with drinkers by using poker as a means for more custom for the landlord.
@Steve
Now you are just talking crap regards David etc. You started off having a valid argument but then you lost all credibility by stating rubbish and untruths about David not knowing Richard for one.
The digs regards adverts are also lame. Seems like you were running out of things to say, so tried some cheap shots.
Basically, it seems like you are really proud of what you think, but if someone questions it, you turn a bit nasty and start making accusations and telling lies.
Not a very good ambassador for your cause in my opinion. However, I was actually leaning to your argument, but because you delivered it so poorly and let the people down that are currently behind you, it makes your points irrelevant.
Shame really.
This was a pretty good debate but is now turning in to an argument and personnel attacks (leave it out, or I send the boys round).
Lets get back to the main points please.
As I said before I would love to see poker played in pubs but:
Has to be organised and run by competent people.
Any poker nights should be run by a licenced TD with proper equipment.
To be honest there should be no rake, the landlord should pay as he would for any entertainment in his pub.
Perhaps the pub should have to apply for a licence to run poker events on their premises.
For this to happen strict rules and regulations must be put in place by people who know what they are doing.
Just my thoughts.
It’s obvious that all the posters on here know all about running poker and are well capable of organising and running poker in the pubs.
What worries me is that people will jump on the band wagon and fooook it up, thus spoiling it for the rest of us.
I run my home games with no problem but I have been to home games that were unbelievably bad, they see someone running home games and just jump in feet first.
So if you were to take the home games to the next level as in pubs I can see similar things happening.
Any way after saying that I am going to find out more information about this.
If it’s a case of just voting for a complete open doors for pubs to run poker then I can not vote for it.
If it’s for a vote to change the laws to allow poker in pubs with very strict rules and full monitoring of TD’s and the like, then my vote will be all for it.
“What worries me is that people will jump on the band wagon and fooook it up, thus spoiling it for the rest of us.”
Now there lies the problem, I know of many, very well managed pub poker events, but unfortunately I know many more that are tez.
The decent games are run by people passionate about poker and use a pub as a venue, the shit games are where landlords just want bodies through the doors.
Ok Well let me address the David issue first, I have an email where he states he does not remember you, my comment was again tongue in cheek.
Re The Adverts on your site – I stated that I thought it was agood site and offered to put you in touch with affiliate programme managers.
Re Free for all – I do not want that I want choice and for the market to decide where is good and where is bad – from my experience of Pub Poker The Higher the stakes the lower amount of alcohol consumed but then that may well be because we were part of London Poker Meetup and if any games were run badly the group would be the first to complain.
I can also see that because I may have a passion for running a game @ Low Stakes that is of a high standard then others may just jump on the bandwagon and try and make a quick buck and run a bad game -however I think that adults can decide who runs a good game and who runs a bad game.
Re Rules I would always follow Loose Cannons rules and if ever stuck for a decision would ring Roy/David who were fantastic supporters of low stakes poker – i rang once btw
I can tell you that for a venue poker is not a great earner, I could even tell you that an event with 100 people on a Friday night at Loose Cannon saw a £5-6 per person avg spend – to realise that they have £50 k a month exes on the place – you soon see it is not all about profit,
Bars were taking roughly £200 for 30 players so no the greedy landlords would not persist with poker as it is not worth it for them.
In short I want to be able to choose when and where I play and at what styakes, if you are more comfortable in a casino great, but the kids that weredoing all their money in casino’s who came to me for a £10 game now have nowhere left to play.
I may not be the perfect Ambassador but I am the only one currently prepared to give up my time to fight for what i believe in, CHOICE.
Cheers and good luck all
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